Inside the offices of the production company she
created with her actor husband, Everybody Loves
Raymond's Patricia Heaton sat down recently with
PEOPLE L.A. correspondent Pamela Warrick to talk
about kids, show business and her new book,
Motherhood & Hollywood: How to Get a Job Like
Mine.
With four kids and your full-time job starring
on Everybody Loves Raymond, how in the world did
you find the time to write a book?
Well, I just stayed up later than the rest of
my family. I would rush upstairs to my husband's
office every night after I got all four boys (Sam,
9; John, 7; Joe, 5; and Danny, 3) to bed and I
would try to keep going until about midnight. This
went on for about six months. For the most part,
the chapters just flowed. I would write a chapter
and send it to my brother Michael (46) who has a
column called the "Minister of Culture"
at the Cleveland Plain Dealer and he would read it
and send it back with any suggestions. We work
closely together because we have the same voice and
the same sense of humor.
The biggest hurdle was getting it started. Once I
got going, though, it was really fun. Rereading it
now, I feel there is so much, so many incidents I
didn't include that maybe there might even be
another book in the offing.
Well, you come from a family of journalists,
don't you?
I do. In fact, until I got up the courage to tell
my dad I actually wanted to act for a living, I was
a journalism major at Ohio State. I always assumed
it was my father's dream that I would be a
journalist like him. My dad, Chuck Heaton, was a
sports columnist -- a very well-known sports
columnist -- at the Plain Dealer when I was growing
up. Anyway, when I finally told him that I wanted
to change my major from journalism to theater arts,
he said, 'Okay, okay, sure, go ahead.' I was just
astonished because I thought my decision would
break his heart.
But there was heartbreak in the Heaton household
when you were growing up ...
Yes, yes there was. When I was 12, my mother -- for
whom I am named, Patricia Helen -- suffered a brain
aneurysm, without warning, and she died. She was
46. It was the worst thing you can possibly
imagine. My mom was such an amazing person and I do
miss her, especially now that I'm a mom. She never
had a housekeeper, and with five of us kids, she
had her hands full. But I loved helping her, even
with housework, I never minded it. One of my
favorite chores was dusting, spraying the Pledge
and polishing the wood to a shine. I remember she
taught me how to polish the silver for special
occasions and chop nuts for brownies --things I do
now with my kids.
You write freely about being in therapy. How has
that helped you?
Seeing a therapist has helped me in a lot of ways.
Certainly, having lost my mother, there was a
reason to examine my feelings. But these days, I
talk more about my children and how I can be a
better parent. A lot of what goes on in therapy now
has to do with my kids. And whenever I actually
take her advice, it works!
Another subject you are surprisingly honest
about is your (post-pregnancy) plastic surgery. Why
be so frank?
There is a lot in Hollywood that is not as it
seems. When I go out to an important public
appearance, I have a lot of help to look the way I
do. There is someone to do my makeup, someone to do
my hair, a stylist to help me find just the right
clothes. It's really not fair -- the image we
present to the world -- because it is so, uh, well,
contrived. Women shouldn't look at people they see
on TV and compare themselves to those women because
you aren't really seeing those women the way they
really are.
So, why the plastic surgery?
Vanity. I mean it, vanity. I had four babies and
four C-sections, and my stomach looked like the map
of the world. My breasts were hanging down to here
from breast-feeding those babies and my nipples
were like platters. I wanted to fit into the gowns
that I finally got to wear. I had a breast
reduction and a tummy-tuck and I feel fine about
that and I feel fine about saying I did it. There
is an awful lot of illusion in Hollywood, but it's
better to be honest if you can.
Some might say you have chosen to live your life
in this superficial world. Do you ever have any
regrets about becoming an actor?
No, it is a life I trained for and dreamed about
and worked for and practically starved for. I did
every job you can imagine to support myself in New
York City after college. I worked running the copy
machine at PEOPLE magazine so I could have health
insurance. I modeled shoes and I worked the
graveyard shift at Morgan Stanley proofreading. I
even scooped ice cream. I still have many more
years of struggle than I've had of success. I value
what I have, believe me. Sometimes I start having
like an anxiety attack when I see that pile of
photos and resumes in the producers' office from
actors looking for work on our show. I was in that
pile once. How did I get out of the pile?
Sometimes, I wonder.
When did you first know that you wanted to be an
actor and not a journalist like your dad and your
brother or a nun like your sister?
I can't pinpoint the exact moment, but I know
that I was always a very self-centered child. It
was always, 'Look at me! Look at me!' My upbringing
was very normal, way too normal, until my mother
died, of course. We were a fairly functional,
devout Catholic family. We weren't rich, but we had
a nice house and we certainly were not poor. At St.
Raphael's Catholic grade school in Bay Village,
Ohio, where I grew up, I was famous by the time I
was in second grade for being able to sing every
song on the Barbra Streisand album. I still love to
sing, but now it's just around the house.
You talk about reordering your priorities to put
family first. How do you do that with a career and
four kids?
David (Hunt, her husband, 48) and I have done a lot
of reorganizing of our lives to try to keep things
from falling apart. We really didn't do anything
this summer. We just chilled out and everybody
benefited. There was a whole period of time when
David and I weren't sitting down with the kids for
dinner; now we sit down to dinner every night at
5:30. We don't answer the phone after 5 o'clock,
and every night one of the boys gets to go on a
walk with us around the neighborhood. We are really
operating as a family unit, so now I feel okay to
go out with my husband every once in a while.
Any plans for more children?
More kids? Well, it's still a possibility. Nobody's
had anything snipped or anything.
Are you surprised at how your life has turned
out?
Not really. Which seems sort of funny, I suppose.
But I remember a year or two ago and Dave and I
were walking down Fifth Avenue in New York with a
magazine photographer walking backwards in front of
us taking our picture. Dave said to me, 'Can you
believe this?' And I said, 'Yes, I can. This is
exactly how I imagined it would be.' I had been
dreaming about this all my life so when it finally
happened, no, it wasn't a surprise.